Crank up kart stand plans Mark Billings (BRACING@prodigy.net) Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:00:38 -0600 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Michael Ridenour: "RE: What are 'blades'?" Previous message: Roger Reetz: "Re: SKUSA anything???" Does anyone have any plans on making a crank up kart stand for a enduro? Thanks, Mark "Mark Billings" Next message: Michael Ridenour: "RE: What are 'blades'?" Previous message: Roger Reetz: "Re: SKUSA anything???" RE: Crank up kart stand plans John Ferreira (John.Ferreira@digital.com) Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:58:57 -0500 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Per G. Sovik: "Re: Camber on F1..." Previous message: Lawson Howard: "Re: Spark Plug Cleaner" Or plans for an electric one? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Billings [mailto:BRACING@prodigy.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 7:01 PM To: karting web page Subject: Crank up kart stand plans Does anyone have any plans on making a crank up kart stand for a enduro? Thanks, Mark "Mark Billings" John Ferreira Next message: Per G. Sovik: "Re: Camber on F1..." Previous message: Lawson Howard: "Re: Spark Plug Cleaner" re: Crank up kart stands Chuck Bunnell (Charles.T.Bunnell@lerc.nasa.gov) Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:15:02 -0500 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Per G. Sovik: "Re: Camber on F1..." Next message: Per G. Sovik: "Re: Vehicle Dynamics are 3-D and are DYNAMIC !!!!" Previous message: Genibrel@aol.com: "Re: Camber on F1..." Next in thread: Bruce Harbison: "re: Crank up kart stands" Mark wrote: >Does anyone have any plans on making a crank up kart stand for a enduro? I finished building mine about a month ago. Of course now I need to modify it so that it's really right. I can easily generate some Autocad drawings of what I'd like it to be in the near future. What kind of graphic format works for people? John wrote: >Or plans for an electric one? What kind of electric are you dreaming of John? An electric winch, about $200 and simply installed instead of the crank, or one of them electrically driven hydraulic ram thingies? An for those considering building one, I would recommend having a welder, drill press, bench grinder, vise, hand grinder, transfer punches and dill bits. I had some learning experiences along the way. Stay tuned, maybe I could slap together a webpage with a little encouragement. Chuck Bunnell work: mailto:Charles.T.Bunnell@lerc.nasa.gov home: mailto:bunnell@en.com web: http://www.en.com/users/bunnell or the home of Rebel Racing http://www.en.com/users/bunnell/kart.htm Chuck Bunnell Next message: Per G. Sovik: "Re: Camber on F1..." Next message: Per G. Sovik: "Re: Vehicle Dynamics are 3-D and are DYNAMIC !!!!" Previous message: Genibrel@aol.com: "Re: Camber on F1..." Next in thread: Bruce Harbison: "re: Crank up kart stands" re: Crank up kart stands Bruce Harbison (harbison@san-jose.tt.slb.com) Thu, 28 Jan 1999 03:11:34 -0800 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Genibrel@aol.com: "Re: Spark Plug Cleaner / introducing dirt" Previous message: Genibrel@aol.com: "Re: Vehicle Dynamics are 3-D and are DYNAMIC !!!!" In reply to: Chuck Bunnell: "re: Crank up kart stands" I for one would be very interested!!! Not many have access to a-cad, how about acrobat? A viewer is available for free on the web. As far as crank, winch, ram, should be a simple change ? Bruce At 01:15 PM 1/27/99 -0500, you wrote: >Mark wrote: >>Does anyone have any plans on making a crank up kart stand for a enduro? >I finished building mine about a month ago. Of course now I need to modify >it so that it's really right. I can easily generate some Autocad drawings >of what I'd like it to be in the near future. What kind of graphic format >works for people? >What kind of electric are you dreaming of John? An electric winch, about >$200 and simply installed instead of the crank, or one of them electrically >driven hydraulic ram thingies? Bruce Harbison Next message: Genibrel@aol.com: "Re: Spark Plug Cleaner / introducing dirt" Previous message: Genibrel@aol.com: "Re: Vehicle Dynamics are 3-D and are DYNAMIC !!!!" In reply to: Chuck Bunnell: "re: Crank up kart stands" RE: Crank up kart stands John Ferreira (John.Ferreira@digital.com) Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:53:06 -0500 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Mossbarger, Joe: "RE: hey" Previous message: Per G. Sovik: "Re: Vehicle Dynamics are 3-D and are DYNAMIC !!!!" see <<< for reply... Subject: re: Crank up kart stands Mark wrote: >Does anyone have any plans on making a crank up kart stand for a enduro? I finished building mine about a month ago. Of course now I need to modify it so that it's really right. I can easily generate some Autocad drawings of what I'd like it to be in the near future. What kind of graphic format works for people? <<Or plans for an electric one? What kind of electric are you dreaming of John? An electric winch, about $200 and simply installed instead of the crank, or one of them electrically driven hydraulic ram thingies? <<> Chuck Bunnell work: mailto:Charles.T.Bunnell@lerc.nasa.gov home: mailto:bunnell@en.com web: http://www.en.com/users/bunnell or the home of Rebel Racing http://www.en.com/users/bunnell/kart.htm Chuck Bunnell John Ferreira Next message: Mossbarger, Joe: "RE: hey" Previous message: Per G. Sovik: "Re: Vehicle Dynamics are 3-D and are DYNAMIC !!!!" re: Crank up kart stands andys@aemf.org Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:29:09 +0000 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Mossbarger, Joe: "RE: Crank up kart stands" Previous message: Updike, Kim: "RE: What are 'blades'?" I no longer have the sketches, but I made a kart stand using a $19.95 hydraulic floor jack from Kragen Auto. The design is the traditional parallelogram raising platform like the electric ones. The jack is mounted about 6" up the rear vertical member, with a link attached to the rear leg. It knocks-down to 2" without the jack, though I leave the jack attached. I use quik release pins for fast set-up. Andy > Mark wrote: > >Does anyone have any plans on making a crank up kart stand for a enduro? > > I finished building mine about a month ago. Of course now I need to modify > it so that it's really right. I can easily generate some Autocad drawings > of what I'd like it to be in the near future. What kind of graphic format > works for people? > > John wrote: > >Or plans for an electric one? > > What kind of electric are you dreaming of John? An electric winch, about > $200 and simply installed instead of the crank, or one of them electrically > driven hydraulic ram thingies? > > An for those considering building one, I would recommend having a welder, > drill press, bench grinder, vise, hand grinder, transfer punches and dill > bits. I had some learning experiences along the way. Stay tuned, maybe I > could slap together a webpage with a little encouragement. > andys@aemf.org Next message: Mossbarger, Joe: "RE: Crank up kart stands" Previous message: Updike, Kim: "RE: What are 'blades'?" RE: Crank up kart stands Mossbarger, Joe (JMossbarger@wiseco.com) Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:42:02 -0500 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Bryan Deever: "Re: statistics" Previous message: andys@aemf.org: "re: Crank up kart stands" Chuck, I would be interested, dxf would work (or CadKey if you like!) By the way, where do I find "dill bits" are those made by Vlasic? Vbg Joe Mossbarger -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Bunnell [mailto:Charles.T.Bunnell@lerc.nasa.gov] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 1:15 PM To: karting@muller.net Subject: re: Crank up kart stands Mark wrote: >Does anyone have any plans on making a crank up kart stand for a enduro? I finished building mine about a month ago. Of course now I need to modify it so that it's really right. I can easily generate some Autocad drawings of what I'd like it to be in the near future. What kind of graphic format works for people? John wrote: >Or plans for an electric one? What kind of electric are you dreaming of John? An electric winch, about $200 and simply installed instead of the crank, or one of them electrically driven hydraulic ram thingies? An for those considering building one, I would recommend having a welder, drill press, bench grinder, vise, hand grinder, transfer punches and dill bits. I had some learning experiences along the way. Stay tuned, maybe I could slap together a webpage with a little encouragement. Chuck Bunnell work: mailto:Charles.T.Bunnell@lerc.nasa.gov home: mailto:bunnell@en.com web: http://www.en.com/users/bunnell or the home of Rebel Racing http://www.en.com/users/bunnell/kart.htm Chuck Bunnell "Mossbarger, Joe" Next message: Bryan Deever: "Re: statistics" Previous message: andys@aemf.org: "re: Crank up kart stands" RE: Crank up kart stands John Ferreira (John.Ferreira@digital.com) Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:36:06 -0500 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Patrick Hubbell: "RE: Crank up kart stands" Previous message: Bryan Deever: "Re: statistics" Joe .... you do know what a Dill bit is ... That is a drill bit that is worn - it doesn't work well - it is ill - thus a Dill bit... you knew that .... -----Original Message----- From: Mossbarger, Joe [mailto:JMossbarger@wiseco.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 2:42 PM To: 'karting@muller.net' Subject: RE: Crank up kart stands Chuck, I would be interested, dxf would work (or CadKey if you like!) By the way, where do I find "dill bits" are those made by Vlasic? Vbg Joe Mossbarger -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Bunnell [mailto:Charles.T.Bunnell@lerc.nasa.gov] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 1:15 PM To: karting@muller.net Subject: re: Crank up kart stands Mark wrote: >Does anyone have any plans on making a crank up kart stand for a enduro? I finished building mine about a month ago. Of course now I need to modify it so that it's really right. I can easily generate some Autocad drawings of what I'd like it to be in the near future. What kind of graphic format works for people? John wrote: >Or plans for an electric one? What kind of electric are you dreaming of John? An electric winch, about $200 and simply installed instead of the crank, or one of them electrically driven hydraulic ram thingies? An for those considering building one, I would recommend having a welder, drill press, bench grinder, vise, hand grinder, transfer punches and dill bits. I had some learning experiences along the way. Stay tuned, maybe I could slap together a webpage with a little encouragement. Chuck Bunnell work: mailto:Charles.T.Bunnell@lerc.nasa.gov home: mailto:bunnell@en.com web: http://www.en.com/users/bunnell or the home of Rebel Racing http://www.en.com/users/bunnell/kart.htm Chuck Bunnell "Mossbarger, Joe" John Ferreira Next message: Patrick Hubbell: "RE: Crank up kart stands" Previous message: Bryan Deever: "Re: statistics" RE: Crank up kart stands Patrick Hubbell (hubbell@agames.com) Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:47:21 -0800 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Juergen Brendel: "Who needs an 'Oiler'?" Previous message: John Ferreira: "RE: Crank up kart stands" At 02:42 PM 1/27/99 -0500, you wrote: >By the way, where do I find "dill bits" I the comics section of the newspaper. Patrick Hubbell Model Maker/ Atari Games Patrick Hubbell Next message: Juergen Brendel: "Who needs an 'Oiler'?" Previous message: John Ferreira: "RE: Crank up kart stands" Re: Crank up kart stands KFleming97@aol.com Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:50:03 EST Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Patrick Hubbell: "RE: SoCal Opener" Previous message: Patrick Hubbell: "Re: Who needs an 'Oiler'?" >>From: andys@aemf.org >I no longer have the sketches, but I made a kart stand using a $19.95 >hydraulic floor jack from Kragen Auto. The design is the traditional >parallelogram raising platform like the electric ones. The jack is >mounted about 6" up the rear vertical member, with a link attached to >the rear leg. It knocks-down to 2" without the jack, though I leave >the jack attached. I use quik release pins for fast set-up. >Andy Andy, I just looked in the Russell and the American Power Sports catalog to get a look at "the electric ones", but alas, no pictures. I get the idea of the parallelogram, but are you able to drive your kart on the stand, crank the jack, and get the kart up off the ground? In theory maybe, but I see myself making this thing, and having to work pretty hard ooching the kart and stand into a position where the geometry on the stand starts to work lifting the kart. Does it look something like this? ____O___________O____ \ \ \ \ \ / \ \ / \ ______\_______/____\____ Thanks, Kurt Fleming KFleming97@aol.com Next message: Patrick Hubbell: "RE: SoCal Opener" Previous message: Patrick Hubbell: "Re: Who needs an 'Oiler'?" Re: Crank up kart stands Mark Billings (BRACING@prodigy.net) Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:48:37 -0600 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Davelf@aol.com: "Re: Camber on F1..." Previous message: Ernie Bost: "Re: What are 'blades'?" Chuck I have window 95 so bitmap,tif or jpeg Thanks, Mark -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Bunnell To: karting@muller.net Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 12:56 PM Subject: re: Crank up kart stands >Mark wrote: >>Does anyone have any plans on making a crank up kart stand for a enduro? > >I finished building mine about a month ago. Of course now I need to modify >it so that it's really right. I can easily generate some Autocad drawings >of what I'd like it to be in the near future. What kind of graphic format >works for people? > >John wrote: >>Or plans for an electric one? > >What kind of electric are you dreaming of John? An electric winch, about >$200 and simply installed instead of the crank, or one of them electrically >driven hydraulic ram thingies? > >An for those considering building one, I would recommend having a welder, >drill press, bench grinder, vise, hand grinder, transfer punches and dill >bits. I had some learning experiences along the way. Stay tuned, maybe I >could slap together a webpage with a little encouragement. > > >Chuck Bunnell > >work: mailto:Charles.T.Bunnell@lerc.nasa.gov >home: mailto:bunnell@en.com >web: http://www.en.com/users/bunnell >or the home of Rebel Racing >http://www.en.com/users/bunnell/kart.htm > >Chuck Bunnell "Mark Billings" Next message: Davelf@aol.com: "Re: Camber on F1..." Previous message: Ernie Bost: "Re: What are 'blades'?" Re: Crank up kart stands Brad Hendrickson (hendric1@apple.com) Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:01:35 -0800 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: andys@aemf.org: "Re: Crank up kart stands" Previous message: Davelf@aol.com: "Re: Camber on F1..." The picture I have of it is pretty dark, but for what it's worth take a look at http://rainey.blueneptune.com/~freebbs/kartstand.htm We use these on Champ (rollcage) karts. Drive on, crank up. One person. It is a parallelogram type, with a boat winch to lift it. The winch can either be by hand, or an electric one can be fitted. Cheers, Brad KFleming97@aol.com wrote: >>>From: andys@aemf.org >>I no longer have the sketches, but I made a kart stand using a $19.95 >>hydraulic floor jack from Kragen Auto. The design is the traditional >>parallelogram raising platform like the electric ones. The jack is >>mounted about 6" up the rear vertical member, with a link attached to >>the rear leg. It knocks-down to 2" without the jack, though I leave >>the jack attached. I use quik release pins for fast set-up. > >>Andy > >Andy, >I just looked in the Russell and the American Power Sports catalog to get a >look at "the electric ones", but alas, no pictures. I get the idea of the >parallelogram, but are you able to drive your kart on the stand, crank the >jack, and get the kart up off the ground? In theory maybe, but I see myself >making this thing, and having to work pretty hard ooching the kart and stand >into a position where the geometry on the stand starts to work lifting the >kart. > >Does it look something like this? > ____O___________O____ > > \ \ > \ \ > \ / \ > \ / \ > ______\_______/____\____ > >Thanks, >Kurt Fleming >KFleming97@aol.com > Brad Hendrickson Next message: andys@aemf.org: "Re: Crank up kart stands" Previous message: Davelf@aol.com: "Re: Camber on F1..." Re: Crank up kart stands andys@aemf.org Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:04:50 +0000 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: James Collinson: "Re: Karting Technical Arcive - Articles wanted" Previous message: Brad Hendrickson: "Re: Crank up kart stands" Kurt writes: > Andy, > I just looked in the Russell and the American Power Sports catalog to get a > look at "the electric ones", but alas, no pictures. I get the idea of the > parallelogram, but are you able to drive your kart on the stand, crank the > jack, and get the kart up off the ground? In theory maybe, but I see myself > making this thing, and having to work pretty hard ooching the kart and stand > into a position where the geometry on the stand starts to work lifting the > kart. > > Does it look something like this? > ____O___________O____ > \ \ > \ \ > \ / \ > \ / \ > ______\_______/____\____ Kurt, Yes, I can back my kart over the stand in the lowered position. The jack and the vertical member are directly behind. Maybe I can fax you a sketch (without dimensions). My heli-arc welder blew a PC board right in the middle of it all, so I completed the welds with an arc welder........It's not as pretty as it could have been. Beware, this kind of stuff always takes longer to fabricate than you anticipate, but I guess that's part of the fun of it all! I've seen pictures of various types of stands in Karting Mag's. Send Fax number privately to: andyszy@earthlink.net Andy andys@aemf.org Next message: James Collinson: "Re: Karting Technical Arcive - Articles wanted" Previous message: Brad Hendrickson: "Re: Crank up kart stands" Re: Crank up kart stands CCourter@aol.com Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:44:49 EST Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: KFleming97@aol.com: "Re: Crank up kart stands" Previous message: James Collinson: "Re: Karting Technical Arcive - Articles wanted" To those who think this may be intended as commercial it is not. The picture of our crank up stand is not the best but does show all the members. To any one interested in building their own I don't mind furnishing the dimensions if you want them. I will have to measure the stand in order to do that. Just let me know. The website address of the page with the stand is: ' http://www.motorsportswebsite.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/showcase.html? Chuck Courter CCourter@aol.com Next message: KFleming97@aol.com: "Re: Crank up kart stands" Previous message: James Collinson: "Re: Karting Technical Arcive - Articles wanted" Re: Crank up kart stands KFleming97@aol.com Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:58:07 EST Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: KFleming97@aol.com: "Re: Karting Technical Arcive - Articles wanted" Previous message: CCourter@aol.com: "Re: Crank up kart stands" Brad, That model looks great! Now I understand, there is a cheater bracket on the back end to which the winch/jack/krank would be attached. I guess I was thinking of something more magical... "the kart will now levitate'.... along those lines. With a couple of "Fastpins" everything could be easily taken apart and stowed. Andy, thanks for the offer. I'll wait 'til I get my arc welder fired up to get those plans though. Kurt Fleming KFleming97@aol.com Next message: KFleming97@aol.com: "Re: Karting Technical Arcive - Articles wanted" Previous message: CCourter@aol.com: "Re: Crank up kart stands" Re: Crank up kart stands Speednut69@aol.com Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:49:25 EST Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Speednut69@aol.com: "Re: Kart Seat Padding" Previous message: Jon W Jeffords: "Kart Seat Padding" In a message dated 1/27/99 7:21:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, hendric1@apple.com writes: << http://rainey.blueneptune.com/~freebbs/kartstand.htm We use these on Champ (rollcage) karts. Drive on, crank up. >> Does the kart sit sideways or in line with the stand?? Thanks Mike Speednut69@aol.com Next message: Speednut69@aol.com: "Re: Kart Seat Padding" Previous message: Jon W Jeffords: "Kart Seat Padding" Re: Crank up kart stands freebbs@blueneptune.com Tue, 28 Aug 1956 00:33:16 +0000 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Ted Morris: "Re: SKUSA anything???" Previous message: Rob Howden: "Re[2]: SKUSA anything???" Speednut69@aol.com wrote: > > Does the kart sit sideways or in line with the stand?? > The best way for me to answer that is with another picture. Take a look at http://www.blueneptune.com/~freebbs/kartonstand.gif. Cheers, Brad freebbs@blueneptune.com Next message: Ted Morris: "Re: SKUSA anything???" Previous message: Rob Howden: "Re[2]: SKUSA anything???" RE: Crank Up Kart Stands Chuck Bunnell (Charles.T.Bunnell@lerc.nasa.gov) Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:39:18 -0500 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: andys@aemf.org: "Re: Roadracing a 80 shifter" Next message: Thomas Crahan: "Castrol 747" Previous message: joe hollinger: "Re: Kart Seat Padding" Ok, I'll put together a detailed drawing of what I did to make a my stand. Actually, it will be a drawing of how the next modifications will be. Got to fix a couple of stupids. Could be a result of using dill bits instead of the more desirable drill bits. Doh! Geez, this is a tough crowd. =8O Sticky Joe, you should be nice since you're in my neck of the woods working over yonder at Wiseco. Couple of thoughts to throw out at y'all. The big difference in length between a sprinter and an enduro makes a big difference in how you design the lift. The lifting pad of the lift is the same for either, but the long front and rear overhangs of the enduro mean you really have to think about where and how the lifting mechanism is mounted, particularly if it is a crank up. And we have the classic case of the guy who builds the airplane in his basement without a way of getting it out too in a backwards fashion. Keep in mind how big your transportation is and whether you really want to break the thing down every time you need to pack it up. They get long in a hurry if you're not careful. Also remember that they are lots heavier than a simple kart stand. It would be kind of foolish to hurt your back moving the kart lift which was supposed to save your back from lifting the kart. You need to provide some means of moving it around. Don't forget about being safe either. You don't need to have your kart suddenly drop to the ground from 2 1/2 to 3 foot in the air while being slung forward by the lift. It should rotate up past center and back down a little on to some hard stops. Less precarious that way. I have another strap I throw on just in case. Can't help being anal retentive. Be sure that your winch is up to the task and the cable, not a rope, is twice as strong. Little things like that can ruin your day. Andy and John are right on about things taking longer than you think. The less equipment you have, the longer this will take. It can be quite frustrating when it seems like you work and work and not much gets done. It's just the way it is. And it gets worse if you decide to paint the pieces parts. I did, you don't want to see all that work just rust away, do ya? All four legs have to be **exactly** the same length or bad things will happen. The mounting pattern on the base for the legs has to be very, very **square** or bad things will happen. The distance between the mounting points for the legs on the base and the lifting bad have to be **exactly** the same or bad things will happen. And the holes for all need to be square to all surfaces. Chances are a hand drill will not accomplish that without slopping out the holes and making the lift sloppy. The point I'm trying to make is that this will take some time and effort to get right. Having the right tools and experience will make things easier. Not having all the tools will dramatically increase the time required. I'm sorry if I'm discouraging anyone, but I don't want to lead anyone into thinking that this is a simple task. Stay tuned, I'll put something together. Chuck Bunnell work: mailto:Charles.T.Bunnell@lerc.nasa.gov home: mailto:bunnell@en.com web: http://www.en.com/users/bunnell or the home of Rebel Racing http://www.en.com/users/bunnell/kart.htm Chuck Bunnell Next message: andys@aemf.org: "Re: Roadracing a 80 shifter" Next message: Thomas Crahan: "Castrol 747" Previous message: joe hollinger: "Re: Kart Seat Padding" RE: Crank Up Kart Stands John Ferreira (John.Ferreira@digital.com) Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:01:58 -0500 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Gary Derian: "Re: Camber on F1..." Previous message: Thomas Crahan: "Castrol 747" chuck writes... All four legs have to be **exactly** the same length or bad things will happen. The mounting pattern on the base for the legs has to be very, very **square** or bad things will happen. The distance between the mounting points for the legs on the base and the lifting bad have to be **exactly** the same or bad things will happen. And the holes for all need to be square to all surfaces. Chances are a hand drill will not accomplish that without slopping out the holes and making the lift sloppy. The point I'm trying to make is that this will take some time and effort to get right. Having the right tools and experience will make things easier. Not having all the tools will dramatically increase the time required. I'm sorry if I'm discouraging anyone, but I don't want to lead anyone into thinking that this is a simple task. <<<< and add to that....... Your hardware needs to be 'shoulder bolts'.... remember - these are load bearing surfaces - that are lifting changing triangles.... Every pivot point - I made a steel insert (bushing)... (made on a lathe) - made flush with the 1" tubing and welded in... John John Ferreira Next message: Gary Derian: "Re: Camber on F1..." Previous message: Thomas Crahan: "Castrol 747" RE: Crank Up Kart Stands andys@aemf.org Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:55:01 +0000 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Bany: "Re: Few more MX 125cc shifter kart questions????" Previous message: Info Know: "Karting Gets More Press" Chuck writes: > Couple of thoughts to throw out at y'all. The big difference in length > between a sprinter and an enduro makes a big difference in how you design > the lift. The lifting pad of the lift is the same for either, but the long > front and rear overhangs of the enduro mean you really have to think about > where and how the lifting mechanism is mounted, particularly if it is a > crank up. Back the kart on the stand. The lifting mechanism can be directly behind. Also, the lifting mechanism upright can be shorter than the lifted height of the pad. > They get long in a hurry > if you're not careful. Amen to that! > Also remember that they are lots heavier than a simple kart stand. It > would be kind of foolish to hurt your back moving the kart lift which was > supposed to save your back from lifting the kart. You need to provide some > means of moving it around. On the money here. The need for strength results in a pretty heavy device. I kind of drag mine around in its' collapsed position. > Andy and John are right on about things taking longer than you think. The > less equipment you have, the longer this will take. It can be quite > frustrating when it seems like you work and work and not much gets done. > It's just the way it is. And it gets worse if you decide to paint the > pieces parts. I did, you don't want to see all that work just rust away, > do ya? > > All four legs have to be **exactly** the same length or bad things will > happen. The mounting pattern on the base for the legs has to be very, very > **square** or bad things will happen. The distance between the mounting > points for the legs on the base and the lifting bad have to be **exactly** > the same or bad things will happen. And the holes for all need to be > square to all surfaces. Chances are a hand drill will not accomplish that > without slopping out the holes and making the lift sloppy. The point I'm > trying to make is that this will take some time and effort to get right. > Having the right tools and experience will make things easier. Not having > all the tools will dramatically increase the time required. I'm sorry if > I'm discouraging anyone, but I don't want to lead anyone into thinking that > this is a simple task. Everything you've mentioned can't be stressed enough (you've obviously built these things before). I machined close fit bushings and welded them into holes drilled into the square tubing on my mill. The fishmouthed leg ends were also done on the mill for both squareness and accuracy. Final welds on the remaining pivot points were done while everything was clamped and assembled to ensure alingment. It took time; and I had the equipment. Chuck, you're right on with your comments. Andy andys@aemf.org Next message: Bany: "Re: Few more MX 125cc shifter kart questions????" Previous message: Info Know: "Karting Gets More Press"